Form: 97 Data
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:21:28 -0400
From: Joel Carpenter <crediblesport@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Mantell Could Have Regained Conciousness
Cat: 11
Distribution: CE, SHG

Why doesn't anyone think he recovered consciousness in the last seconds, tried to pull out of the dive, began to, and lost the wing in up-bending -- just as the report says. In this case, the plane would not be in a screaming nosedive from 20,000 ft, but would be decelerating tumbling debris. Like this;

I believe the report specifically noted that a fuel switch was in a position that wouldn't be expected in a climb, which implied that he might have recovered consciousness and changed it in the last seconds.

On 5/31/06, Francis Ridge <> wrote:
At 04:27 PM 5/31/2006 -0300, Don wrote:

>But yes, the real puzzler was Mantell's disregard for anoxia. He knew
>better. I can't understand why he would have gotten so excited about this
>object, more excited than if he had been in combat, to ignore this obvious

I also found this in Ruppelt's TRUE article, a note by editors:

(In a letter to TRUE on this point, Capt. William B. Nash, wrote: "As a
pilot, Ruppelt must know that he wrote pure deception when he said of the
Mantell case, 'The propeller torque would pull it into a slow left turn,
into a shallow dive, then an increasingly steeper descent under power.
Somewhere during the screaming dive, the plane reached excessive speeds and
began to break up in the air.' Any Dilbert knows that as the speed of an
airplane increases its lift increases, and the plane's nose would come up
until the speed decreased again and the nose dipped once more to pick up
speed and lift, thus creating an oscillation all the way to the ground-not
a 'screaming dive.' The plane could spin or spiral instead of oscillate,
but a spin is a stall maneuver, and planes do not come apart in a stall.
This oscillation would he especially likely to occur if the airplane had
been trimmed to climb . . . and . . . Ruppelt says, 'The wreckage showed
that the plane was trimmed to climb."